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- From: johnyc@mainelink.net
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- Subject: Re: ANNOUNCE: Vacant Job Positions
- Date: Sat, 10 Feb 96 16:07:26 GMT
- Organization: Internet Maine Inc.
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- In article <4fe3ov$pc0@qualcomm.com>, nabbasi@qualcomm.com wrote:
- >
- >There is no execuse for someone not to have one nowadays. You can go to
- >night school and get one. you can get a student loan, you can work part time
- >and go to school part time, etc...
-
- This is the kind of claptrap that really irratates me. I have found through
- my 20 years of experience that the *best* computer people are those who have
- not had to go to college to learn something. They were able to pick up a
- book, on their own, sit down with only their own personal motivation and learn
- something.
-
- I have not hired some college grads because they did not have any motivation
- to learn other than 'I was interested in it and it looked like a good field'.
- In fact, today I showed a SAS programmer (who had a masters in engineering)
- what was wrong with his code, even though it was the first SAS program I had
- ever seen, and I did not have access to the manual.
-
- I bought my first computer at 17 (a TRS-80). I attended one semester at Miami
- University of Ohio (where I was going major in Mathmatics) and dropped out
- because of all the idiots going to school there. My roommate was a chemistry
- major who could barely do basic algebra and partied every weekend. But his
- father was rich so he could afford it.
-
- I take college courses to learn the things I am interested in, not the things
- that are required in order to keep college professors employed.
-
- >
- >Yes, if you were looking for a GOOD job, not having a degree will hinder you.
- >
- Consider this, if a company will only hire college grads, and refuses to look
- at anyone else, ask the following questions:
- 1. Do you want to work for such a shallow company??
- 2. Do you want to work for a company where company policy is king, and not
- creative thinking and decision making??
- 3. Do you want to work for a company that micro-manages its managers to the
- point of telling them who they can and cannot hire based on some false
- assumption (ie: There is no one without a college education that can be a
- highly productive employee with excellent job-related skills.)
-
- A real manager has a list of questions to ask prospective employees to verify
- that the person being interviewed has the necessary skills to do the job. A
- real manager can look at a resume and weed out those who do not have the
- skills, and those that should be interviewed.
-
- To paraphrase Mark Twain --
- I wouldn't want to work for any company that would not have me for an
- employee.
-
- >
- >Education can very rewarding.
- >
- At least there was something in this post I can agree with.
-
- But consider this, how smart is someone who just spent 4 to 6 years of their
- life and their own money studing something when they have probably could have
- gotten a two year degree technical degree for a lot less money, gone to work
- for a company, and then had the company pay for their degree?? Or could have
- gone into the armed services for 4 years and had Uncle Sam pay for it??
-
- Just my opinions, even though they are the only correct ones :-)
-